shminux comments on What is moral foundation theory good for? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: shminux 12 August 2012 09:00:49PM 16 points [-]

Haidt believes that there are at least six sources of moral values; the first five are harm/caring, fairness, loyalty, authority, sanctity/disgust.

I distrust any long list of plausible-sounding but arbitrary entries (7 habits of..., 8 simple rules...)

Comment author: Unnamed 14 August 2012 04:12:42AM 9 points [-]

Haidt doesn't have a fixed number in mind. He started with Richard Shweder's list of three moral foundations which seem to have a firm grounding in psychology, evolutionary biology, and anthropology, and then went looking for more. At one point he even offered prize money to people who suggested a promising new foundation. The sixth foundation that he added, liberty/oppression, was based on the suggestion of a prize winner (the psychologist John Jost, who has his own theory of political psychology and has been one of Haidt's harsher critics).

Comment author: roystgnr 13 August 2012 08:25:59PM 9 points [-]

9 Peano axioms, 3 types of radioactive decay, 8 planets (are dwarf planets "arbitrary"?)...

I have an a priori distrust for social science theories, but only because of the heuristic, "there are far more ways to be incorrect than correct", not because "ways to be correct don't come in list form".

In particular, prepending the list cardinality with "at least" shows at least a bit of self-awareness.

Comment author: wedrifid 13 August 2012 09:03:56PM 2 points [-]

9 Peano axioms, 3 types of radioactive decay, 8 planets (are dwarf planets "arbitrary"?)...

Yes, you lost me at planets. I don't know which group of people it was that collected enough status to declare that Pluto is not a planet (or more precisely to alter the rules by which planets are defined) but the list is arbitrary on approximately the same level as the categories of moral values---based on something that does exists in the world but sliced into fuzzy categories based on convention or authority.

Comment author: roystgnr 14 August 2012 05:39:17AM 2 points [-]

Stipulating agreement: aren't fuzzy categories better than no categories at all? Who was the first ape classifiable as homo erectus, and how distinguishable was he from his homo habilis parents?

Comment author: wedrifid 14 August 2012 06:22:22AM 1 point [-]

Stipulating agreement: aren't fuzzy categories better than no categories at all? Who was the first ape classifiable as homo erectus, and how distinguishable was he from his homo habilis parents?

Oh, I agree with your conclusion---arbitrary categories are great. I'd go as far as to say indefensible (for us, at least).

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 13 August 2012 05:49:48PM -2 points [-]

Spoken like a true physicist!