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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 August 2012 08:59:47PM 0 points [-]

Can valuing autonomy be explained by valuing purity?

To me it seems that valuing autonomy is an example of avoid things that may have short term benefits but cause long term problems.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 27 August 2012 10:01:21PM *  0 points [-]

To me it seems that valuing autonomy is an example of avoid things that may have short term benefits but cause long term problems.

That sounds more like a concern about harm ("long term problems") than about purity, at least if you are trying to describe the thought-process of someone justifying their valuing of autonomy.

If, instead, you are trying to describe the causal origin of the value, then wouldn't Haidt ascribe all of his foundational values to that cause? Doesn't he give ev-psych explanations (with a group-selectionist bent) for the origins of all of his foundational values? If I'm right about that, then he would probably argue that each of his foundational values persisted because, in the long run, it served the reproductive interests of the individual or the group. That is, the value led people to avoid short-term benefits that would cause long-term problems. Otherwise, this value would not have survived in the long run.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 August 2012 02:05:23AM 0 points [-]

Doesn't he give ev-psych explanations (with a group-selectionist bent) for the origins of all of his foundational values?

I wouldn't know, I haven't actually read his books. What bothers me is that unlike the other values, I can't even give a definition of what constitutes purity/sacredness without appealing to a black box in my brain.