Persol comments on Who Wants To Start An Important Startup? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Persol 18 August 2012 02:43:42AM *  3 points [-]

Sorry, typo. ~4000 people finished a session. Many more 'tried' than 4000... I just couldn't determine which users were bots that registered randomly vs users that didn't finish the first session.

  • Tried: lots (but unknown)
  • Finished 1 session: ~4000
  • Finished >1 session: ~20
Comment author: Shak 18 August 2012 05:35:48AM 1 point [-]

Persol, what traffic generating methods did you use to get those kind of figures?

Comment author: Persol 18 August 2012 12:13:26PM *  2 points [-]

About 75% of the hits came from Google adWords, which was on for about 8 months. Maybe about 10% from search results. I also had a few links from subject specific websites. Average CTR was about 0.25%. Best CTR were ads that mentioned 'flashcards' and 'online'. The best conversion rate (answered a study session question) was 17% with the ad below:

  • Remember Facts
  • Spend less time studying.
  • Remember more material.
  • www.superbrain.me

Graphic/animated ads were a waste of money, but at least I learned how to make animated GIFs.

Comment author: supermemofan 21 August 2012 01:10:47AM 6 points [-]

Supermemo has been working on this problem since 1982, and they struggle to make Supermemo popular because it is not "sticky" enough. Basically it involves hard work for future benefit. This is the mental equivalent of "earning an honest living," or "getting rich slowly." We do not live in a world that portrays honest, slow but meaningful progress. We live in a world that is obsessed with instant gratification, and SRS methods go contrary to the river-like "current" of this system. See: http://wiki.supermemo.org/index.php?title=Why_isn'tSuperMemomore_popular%3F Also, the only way I could see SRS hitting massive appeal is if it were designed from the ground up to be a game of some sort where doing flashcard repetitions resulted in progress. I have an idea of how it would work, but I doubt we will see anything like that for the time being.

Comment author: shminux 21 August 2012 07:08:57PM 3 points [-]

Also, the only way I could see SRS hitting massive appeal is if it were designed from the ground up to be a game of some sort

Judging by the user-hostile interface of the linked site, there is probably a much lower hanging fruit in the app's UI redesign.

Comment author: supermemofan 22 August 2012 01:59:17AM 0 points [-]

Supermemo was designed by a scientist, and a simple user interface is not as high on the priority list as optimized algorithms, incremental reading, etc. I highly doubt that outside of Supermemo a more effective flashcard software exists. Thus, to make flashcard-based learning hit critical mass, it must be packaged in a way that is extremely appealing and fun (Aside from the joy of learning) so that people can survive the two-week "hump" that most people stop using Supermemo. Other than a game or a more aesthetically pleasing UI, I think we're kind of stuck with our present situation, unless a higher authority (Education system, government) makes such learning techniques mandatory, which will not happen due to the inefficiency of modern institutions to fulfill their explicit purpose. At least they exist for the self-motivated to use, and it gives us a mental edge on those that do not use (Or care to use) SRS.

Comment author: Persol 21 August 2012 06:54:46PM *  2 points [-]

That link (fixed version ) is very accurate. I wish I'd considered the first few points BEFORE programming/advertising the site.