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36 Post author: peter_hurford 13 August 2012 11:34PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 16 August 2012 12:22:16AM 0 points [-]

Totally agreed- Perhaps I am an exception but I don't really help people if there is nothing in it for me, I end up helping people a lot anyway because there is nearly ALWAYS something in it for you if you know how to take advantage of a situation, but regardless... Many people are more altruistic than me and don't seem to realize they are doing themselves a favour, and some of them are not even acting. Its amazing really.

Comment author: timtyler 18 August 2012 10:45:51AM *  1 point [-]

Many people are more altruistic than me and don't seem to realize they are doing themselves a favour

If it benefits you, it isn't altruism - at least by the conventional biological definition of altruism.

Here is Trivers (1971) in "The Evolution of Reciprocal Altruism" on the topic:

Altruistic behavior can be defined as behavior that benefits another organism, not closely related, while being apparently detrimental to the organism performing the behaviour, benefit and detriment being defined in terms of contribution to inclusive fitness.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 August 2012 08:34:08PM 2 points [-]

Well, if you count opportunity costs as detrimental, something that benefits both you and me but doesn't benefit you as much as something else you could do with your time and resources is still altruistic.

Comment author: timtyler 24 August 2012 12:50:02AM 1 point [-]

Traditionally, you compare with a "null" action - not the best thing you could possibly be doing.