peter_hurford comments on Why Don't People Help Others More? - Less Wrong

36 Post author: peter_hurford 13 August 2012 11:34PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (85)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: peter_hurford 20 August 2012 03:28:33AM 2 points [-]

Isn't "opt-out philanthropy" just quasi-socialism?

Is it? What does "quasi-socialism" mean? And if it is quasi-socialism, why would that matter?

Comment author: Pentashagon 20 August 2012 08:16:12AM 1 point [-]

Opt-out philanthropy would have a very similar effect that taxation does in a socialist society. The differences are that individuals can legally choose whether or not to pay and can also choose who to donate to under opt-out philanthropy. When you average out tax cheats, tax shelters, and philanthropic goals the effects of both seem pretty similar to me. I was wondering what would happen if a government switched from socialism to a pure opt-out donation system, e.g. you can download the national/state/local budget and an opt-out form every year, and fill out the opt-out form for each line item in the budget that you don't want to donate toward. Then you make your yearly donation/pay your taxes and most people probably won't spend time opting out of sane and worthwhile line items. Democratic socialism approximates such a system, but by turning line items on and off for everyone at the same time. That may not be optimal.

Comment author: peter_hurford 20 August 2012 06:34:41PM 1 point [-]

Opt-out philanthropy would have a very similar effect that taxation does in a socialist society. The differences are that individuals can legally choose whether or not to pay and can also choose who to donate to under opt-out philanthropy.

Those are two big differences, but otherwise I think you're right. In other places of "Life You Can Save", Peter Singer talks about opt-out philanthropy in the form of an additional 1% income tax automatically donated to a GiveWell top charity, unless you change either the target or opt-out completely.

~

you can download the national/state/local budget and an opt-out form every year, and fill out the opt-out form for each line item in the budget that you don't want to donate toward. [...] Democratic socialism approximates such a system, but by turning line items on and off for everyone at the same time. That may not be optimal.

I don't think democratic socialism approximates the system, because no actual (legal) opt-outing takes place. Secondly, my intuitions would be that such a system for all taxes would be disastrous in the case that I predict it would massively lower the government budget and make funding programs completely unpredictable.