NancyLebovitz comments on Open Thread, August 16-31, 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 August 2012 03:07:27PM 2 points [-]

I know it's a first draft, but "Better Angels of Our Nature", much as I love the idea of being able to geometrize moral stature.

In The Abolition of Man, C.S. Lewis talks about utopian dreams means hoping that a small proportion of the human race will tyrannize over the whole future.

CEV is problematic if part of my idea of knowing more includes the idea of learning from experience. I don't have unlimited trust in extrapolation.

I don't know what you mean by violence having some good traits. I can imagine an improved society which permits low-level interpersonal violence with a strong norm that equivalent retaliation should be possible. I don't think there's anything gained by big wars, but I could be wrong.

"The wrong side of history" is a way of cheating in an argument. We don't know the future, and "the wrong side of history" just implies a belief that your side will continue to win. I'm willing to bet that "the wrong side of history" is used by people who aren't comfortable with making moral pronouncements.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 August 2012 03:48:21PM *  3 points [-]

I know it's a first draft, but "Better Angels of Our Nature", much as I love the idea of being able to geometrize moral stature.

More a text dump than anything else. Thank you for pointing out the typo thought.

I don't know what you mean by violence having some good traits.

Violence can be fun. I'd argue this is particularly true of "safe violence", that doesn't result in death or permanent injury. Otherwise we wouldn't include it so much in every aspect of entertainment, particularly interactive entertainment. We also have people who enjoy violence in their sexual lives.

I can imagine an improved society which permits low-level interpersonal violence with a strong norm that equivalent retaliation should be possible. I don't think there's anything gained by big wars, but I could be wrong.

Yes this is what I was going for.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 November 2012 08:18:33PM 0 points [-]

I don't know what you mean by violence having some good traits.

Violence can be fun. I'd argue this is particularly true of "safe violence", that doesn't result in death or permanent injury. Otherwise we wouldn't include it so much in every aspect of entertainment, particularly interactive entertainment. We also have people who enjoy violence in their sexual lives.

I suspect the two of you are using “violence” with slightly different meanings.