Multiheaded comments on Open Thread, August 16-31, 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Multiheaded 24 August 2012 11:19:08AM *  0 points [-]

Also!

I think it would probably be more democratic today than the PCR

Language trap here. "Democracy" as meaningful majority vote vs. "democracy" as government attention to broad popular demands vs. "democracy" as a loose cultural view of Vox Populi vox Dei vs. "democracy" as a permissive and liberal stance towards social relations, and hell, there's even more packed in here.

I, for instance, think that modern China is much more democratic on many such metrics than modern Singapore. Including metrics that I value. (Singapore indeed has legitimate majority vote, but that vote, and the overton window for it, is controlled by the State in several ways that are unlike 1st world Universalist propaganda.)

Comment author: [deleted] 24 August 2012 11:30:32AM *  6 points [-]

Well my model of right wing capitalist regimes puts "under Western influence they transmute into social democracies when rich enough or after the founder dies" as the default. It happened in South Korea and it happened in Spain.

As to "democratic" I was using it in the standard sense used when discussing international relations and geopolitics:

"democratic" == does things the State Department, NYT and/or the Pentagon like.
"undemocratic" == does things the State Department, NYT and/or the Pentagon don't like.