Pfft comments on An angle of attack on Open Problem #1 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Pfft 23 August 2012 06:15:38PM *  0 points [-]

Yes. If you call it with the argument AIQ2_T (i.e. the same algorithm but with T instead of PA(omega)), it will accept if it can find a proof that forall q,

AIQ2_T(q) != 'self-destruct'

(which is easy) and

AIQ2_T(q) == 'double' ==> AIQ2(q)=='double'

The latter condition expands to

PA(omega) |- someFormula ==> T |- someFormula

which may be quite easy to show, depending on T.

Basically, the Quining approach avoids trouble from the 2nd incompleteness theorem by using relative consistency instead of consistency.

Comment author: cousin_it 23 August 2012 09:22:15PM *  1 point [-]

It seems to me that the two programs don't have the same "someFormula", because each program's formula uses a quined description of that program, but not the other one. Or maybe I'm wrong. Can you expand what you mean by "someFormula"?

Comment author: Pfft 23 August 2012 10:37:53PM 0 points [-]

Oops.