Quantumental comments on Scott Aaronson's cautious optimism for the MWI - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Manfred 22 August 2012 02:59:54AM 0 points [-]

Ah, I see. "Metaphysics."

By which you mean "taking human morality and decision-making, which evolved in a classical world, and figuring out what decisions you should make in a quantum universe."

Would you agree that overlap vs. non-overlap cannot be answered without looking inside humans, and in fact has little to do with the universe apart from a few postulates of quantum mechanics? For some reason I thought we were talking about the universe.

Anyhow, I think Shane Legg had a nice paper on porting utility functions, though of course humans are inconsistent and you immediately run into problems of how to idealize them. The basic idea being that you split up changes into "new things to care about" and "new ways to express old things." Quantum suicide is probably the easiest thing to deal with via this method.

Comment author: Quantumental 25 August 2012 11:43:44AM *  0 points [-]

So you see no objective facts about mwi? non-overlap vs overlap is nonsense in your opinion?

Comment author: Manfred 25 August 2012 12:56:10PM *  0 points [-]

Yes, there are objective facts. Whether a waveunction is made of 2 components or 1 is still not independent of your perspective. No, it's not necessarily nonsense. I am just claiming that the unsolved problems of stuff like "overlap" are not due to a lack of information about quantum mechanics, but due to a lack of information about very complicated things humans do. If it the difficulty of understanding how humans categorize things and revise categories gets attributed to basic quantum mechanics, then we may get some nonsense.

Comment author: Quantumental 25 August 2012 06:30:07PM *  0 points [-]

You say there are objective facts, yet you claim it depends on ones perspective...this is contradictory. Have you read any of Wilson's papers? Or Saunders, Lawhead, Ismael etc.? All have written papers clearly indicating the OBJECTIVE difference.

Comment author: Manfred 26 August 2012 11:46:28AM *  0 points [-]

What I am saying is that there are objective facts, but that a wavefunction being two components or one simply happens not to be one of those facts. It's like "is this painting beautiful?" If you look closely enough at one person and make some idealizations, you can say objectively (well, plus idealizations) whether a painting is beautiful for that person, but what is thus beautiful for one person still doesn't have to be beautiful for the next.

On the other hand, if you, say, explained Peano arithmetic to two different people and asked them whether some statement was a theorem or not (and made some idealizations), what is a theorem for one person is a theorem for the next. Or if you asked them to measure the space-time interval between two events. Or if you asked them about the various components of a wavefunction, given a certain basis.