orthonormal comments on How to deal with someone in a LessWrong meeting being creepy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Matt_Caulfield 07 September 2012 11:35:35PM 3 points [-]

And it actually offers a concrete solution to the problem of feeling creepy: hang out with more women.

Even if hanging out with women makes you grow less creepy over time, you're still inflicting your creepy self on them at the beginning. Being willing to do this for your own benefit is... creepy.

I'm still not convinced there's an ethical way out of the creepy trap. Is there any sound (not self-serving) argument against the idea that the best thing for creepy males to do is just go away?

Comment author: orthonormal 08 September 2012 12:59:04AM 11 points [-]

Ceteris paribus, the world where a creepy guy turns into a non-creepy guy is better than the one where the creepy guy ceases to exist. (Marginally, at least, the world needs a whole lot more well-adjusted nerds.)

So a better question is, how does a social group help and encourage creeps to become non-creeps wherever possible (without enabling creepy behavior)?

Comment author: Douglas_Reay 08 September 2012 01:19:55AM 4 points [-]

how does a social group help and encourage creeps to become non-creeps

Point them at the links in the OP.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 September 2012 01:41:56AM *  4 points [-]

This one too (which, on a totally unrelated note, exhibits the groping-her-way-towards-Bayesianism phenomenon I have noticed -- to the point of (appearing to) incorrectly think that Schrödinger's cat is about epistemic probability).

Comment author: DanArmak 08 September 2012 07:25:08PM *  2 points [-]

Marginally, at least, the world needs a whole lot more well-adjusted nerds.

What do you mean by that? Who needs them for what purpose and as opposed to what alternative?