Eugine_Nier comments on How to deal with someone in a LessWrong meeting being creepy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Matt_Caulfield 07 September 2012 11:35:35PM 3 points [-]

And it actually offers a concrete solution to the problem of feeling creepy: hang out with more women.

Even if hanging out with women makes you grow less creepy over time, you're still inflicting your creepy self on them at the beginning. Being willing to do this for your own benefit is... creepy.

I'm still not convinced there's an ethical way out of the creepy trap. Is there any sound (not self-serving) argument against the idea that the best thing for creepy males to do is just go away?

Comment author: lucidian 08 September 2012 02:03:48AM 4 points [-]

Presumably some women are less averse to creepiness than other women. Perhaps a socially awkward guy could start by interacting with women who are tolerant of social awkwardness, but who will point out his mistakes so he can improve. Then, he could work his way up to interacting with people who are less and less tolerant of creepiness.

Comment author: DanArmak 08 September 2012 07:24:37PM 5 points [-]

Even if such women are numerous enough, a socially awkward man who is bad at reading others will not be able to reliably identify them, and so will occasionally creep out more-averse women, and that may be enough for him to be banished from the whole social group. This is a matter for empirical measurement.