Eugine_Nier comments on How to deal with someone in a LessWrong meeting being creepy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 September 2012 03:59:04AM 4 points [-]

But with humans in specific, rape is not a great reproductive strategy. The odds of insemination are lower, because things like self-lubrication and uterine peristalsis (which make a big difference) aren't typically going to occur. Even post-coital cuddling increases the odds of fertilization. Getting into comparative primatology, humans have conspicuously large penises compared to our relatives who do tend to use force as a basic approach to getting sex (gorillas, who have a harem-style arrangement as their basic stable social model).

So basically you're saying that Todd Akin's recent comments about rape were correct?

Comment author: Alicorn 08 September 2012 04:08:33AM 3 points [-]

He may have been misunderstanding some of the same information Jandila supplies. But it's not an absolute effect, it's a probabilistic one. I'm more likely to break an egg yolk if I open the egg two feet above my bowl; that doesn't mean it doesn't happen pretty frequently when I open it closer to the bowl (or that it couldn't land intact from two feet up).

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 September 2012 05:33:53AM 1 point [-]

But it's not an absolute effect, it's a probabilistic one.

Agreed. However, Jandila requires it to be an absolute (or almost absolute) effect for the argument against hg00's point to work.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 September 2012 05:25:40AM -2 points [-]

Uh, no. This isn't a matter of suppressing pregnancies that aren't wanted -- it's a matter of not boosting the likelihood of pregnancy by means of various reinforcing mechanisms that in all add a minor, though non-negligible, probability of conception.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 September 2012 05:43:12AM 6 points [-]

So you admit that the decrease in the probability of conception is minor. This means that it's not enough to invalidate hg00's argument that what you think of as 'creepy' strategies, even rape, are adaptive under some circumstances.

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