DanArmak comments on How to deal with someone in a LessWrong meeting being creepy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 08 September 2012 08:28:19PM 2 points [-]

I guess I meant self-serving from the creep's point of view.

If it's better for creeps to not go away, then any argument that they should not go away serves them. This is regardless of the actual argument.

Comment author: Matt_Caulfield 08 September 2012 08:41:22PM 0 points [-]

I probably was not clear enough. What I mean is: let's assume creeps want to stay and everyone else wants them to leave. Then any argument made by the creeps that tries to dissuade others from evicting them is self-serving. (You say, well of course). The problem is that most arguers in favor of creep-tolerance don't acknowledge those competing interests, instead they try to assert that higher intolerance for creeps would be bad for the group as a whole somehow. I am tentatively of the opinion that these arguments are bullshit, in the Frankfurt sense. People who argue this way are like those who claim they are buying an expensive TV to stimulate the economy, or those who claim they don't give to charity because handouts only hurt poor people in the long run. Of course, those are not the real reasons; the real reasons are much more simple and selfish.

Comment author: DanArmak 08 September 2012 08:52:20PM 6 points [-]

This is all true but doesn't seem relevant. You asked if there was any argument against making creeps go away that wasn't self serving (if made by a creep). The answer is that there isn't and cannot be one, because any such argument made by a creep serves the creep.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 08 September 2012 09:37:48PM 3 points [-]

Well, most arguers against creep-tolerance aren't acknowledge their competing interests either.