JoeW comments on How to deal with someone in a LessWrong meeting being creepy - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoeW 09 September 2012 11:41:31AM 0 points [-]

Just confirming: are you disagreeing because link posited risk of escalation to assault which I agree seems impossible in a purely online context?

I drew the analogy because it called out the toxic effects on a community, and that in many ways the toxicity is not that there was a creeper, but that there is much signalling in their support that has follow-on effects.

Assuming those claimed signalling secondary losses are correct, I don't see anything specific to an online context that would be immune. The "risk of escalation" discussed there seems severable from its other points.

Comment author: bogus 09 September 2012 12:15:34PM 4 points [-]

I am disagreeing because I regard what you call "risk of escalation to assault" (or, more generally: risks of bodily harm and benefits from tightly-knit social cooperation) as a critical determinant of social interaction. It is very hard to meaningfully compare real-world and online contexts, much less regard them as "the exact same scenario".

(Indeed, I have jokingly argued before that we should totally deprecate and taboo the term "community" as referring to online social groups, since it tends to promote this very kind of ontological confusion.)

As for your question about "toxicity", let's just say that this particular discussion has been held already. If anything, LW has seemed to err towards taking complaints about divisive or disruptive behavior more seriously than they otherwise would, especially when outgroup status is a factor.