thomblake comments on The noncentral fallacy - the worst argument in the world? - Less Wrong

157 Post author: Yvain 27 August 2012 03:36AM

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Comment author: thomblake 27 August 2012 03:39:35PM 11 points [-]

Is it always illegitimate to bring up the facts that abortion ends a life, that taxes are not paid voluntarily, and that affirmative action benefits some races at the expense of others?

No. If you didn't get that, you should reread the post. The point is to discuss the relevant features of the subject in question, not say "murder" or "theft" and stop thinking.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 August 2012 04:23:17PM 7 points [-]

That is the author's stated intention. But what he's created is an easily referenceable refutation of weak versions of strong arguments. You're concerned about someone crying "murder" or "theft" instead of thinking. I'm concerned about someone linking to this very popular article instead of thinking, or anyway instead of grappling with a strong argument.

Comment author: Yvain 27 August 2012 09:43:15PM 9 points [-]

As Alex Mennen brought up on my blog, the problem you're worrying about is that someone will say "That's an example of the Worst Argument In The World, which is typically a weak argument", even though that particular version of the argument is actually quite strong.

Luckily, I hear there's a new post addressing exactly that error!

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 27 August 2012 07:38:57PM 4 points [-]

There is no general way to make people think. Everything can be misused.

Comment author: DaFranker 27 August 2012 07:56:21PM *  4 points [-]

...therefore, we should not be concerned when well-intentioned articles risk generating new Fully General Counterarguments and having other possible negative effects on rationality. Even if the net expected utility is negative.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 28 August 2012 01:16:09PM 0 points [-]

No case was made that this is actually problematic; it was simply claimed. How is this more likely to cause trouble than anything else?

Comment author: DaFranker 28 August 2012 02:34:41PM 1 point [-]

It isn't, as far as the evidence I have indicates. I was just disagreeing with the usefulness of that line of reasoning, since it was dangerously close to an Argument of Gray.