Will_Sawin comments on The noncentral fallacy - the worst argument in the world? - Less Wrong

157 Post author: Yvain 27 August 2012 03:36AM

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Comment author: Will_Sawin 27 August 2012 05:04:16PM 0 points [-]

I don't think an analysis of either the rhetoric of abortion opponents or their stances on issues where one can make a similar Schelling fence argument supports that many people believe this Schelling fence argument.

Comment author: Emile 27 August 2012 07:06:29PM 4 points [-]

On abortion probably not - there are also big "those women are getting what they deserve" and "having children is good, not having children is selfish" components coming into play and probably play a bigger role than "murder is wrong".

Euthanasia, however, is probably mostly about Schelling fences.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 27 August 2012 09:50:11PM 1 point [-]

I do not have sufficient data to have an opinion on that.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 August 2012 05:18:44PM 1 point [-]

For most people, beliefs are not supported by arguments at all. If we restrict our analysis to the tiny fraction of abortion opponents whose beliefs are supported by arguments, then I suspect they mostly do believe the Schelling fence argument. All but a tiny minority of that tiny minority believe specious arguments against abortion as well -- so what?

Comment author: Will_Sawin 27 August 2012 09:53:36PM *  0 points [-]

Then I think you agree with the statement of Yvain that Emile quoted and objected to. Indeed you use almost the same language.

I was trying to access, among those who have an argument, some notion of the primary argument: the one they find most convincing or most central to their beliefs. I think the Schelling point argument is the primary argument for only a tiny fraction of those who have an argument.