siodine comments on The noncentral fallacy - the worst argument in the world? - Less Wrong

157 Post author: Yvain 27 August 2012 03:36AM

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Comment author: Larks 27 August 2012 09:08:36PM 3 points [-]

How else is one meant to categorise instances, other than by noting that they share features with training data?

Just because (e.g.) archetypal cases of theft have other things wrong with them doesn't mean that theft also isn't wrong qua theft. I think you're just choosing to favour some categories (e.g. benefit/harm) over others.

When you say,

Therefore, even though he is a criminal, there is no reason to dislike King.

I think you bed the question against those who oppose criminality qua criminality.

It's true that you should also consider the advantages of this specific case of theft. But individual exclaimations aren't meant to be complete arguments.

Comment author: siodine 28 August 2012 01:14:11AM *  4 points [-]

You miss the point. There's the denotation of criminal which includes King, and the connotation of criminal which very rarely includes King. By categorizing King as a criminal, most people will take it to mean "King has committed unlawful acts (denotation) and King is bad (connotation)." People using the worst argument in the world count on this (most of the time probably unknowingly), because without the connotation their argument has no force (or at least not the desired amount) behind it. I.e., the worst argument in the world has the same effect as arguing King is bad even though that was never actually argued.