Esar comments on The noncentral fallacy - the worst argument in the world? - Less Wrong

157 Post author: Yvain 27 August 2012 03:36AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 29 August 2012 10:06:39PM *  0 points [-]

I perceive the left wing comments come with much more of an implicit assumption by the poster, and the respondents to it, of the moral superiority of left wing positions, and that all attending will see it the same way.

Isn't that reasonable though? If you're a X-winger, isn't the whole point that X-wing positions are in fact morally superior?

Comment author: wedrifid 31 August 2012 01:17:34AM 12 points [-]

Isn't that reasonable though? If you're a X-winger, isn't the whole point that X-wing positions are in fact morally superior?

Morally superior perhaps, but they lack the hull plating and durability to survive ongoing combat and the offensive payload pales in comparison to what the Y-wing can deliver.

Comment author: gwern 31 August 2012 02:31:00PM 8 points [-]

The Y-wing was an outdated piece of junk even by the Battle of Yvain; that's why the Rebels had it at all. The X-wing's proton torpedoes deliver the hurt when necessary (just ask Tarkin or Ysanne Isard), and if you want more than that, well, that's what the B-wings are for... Between them and the A-wing, there is simply no role for Y-wings at any point - except cannon bait!

Comment author: GeraldMonroe 31 August 2012 02:53:35PM 1 point [-]

Shouldn't that be spelled "canon bait"? Heh.

Comment author: gwern 31 August 2012 03:04:22PM -1 points [-]

Well, by bringing in Isard, I make it both.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 August 2012 02:37:07AM 0 points [-]

Ha!

Comment author: buybuydandavis 29 August 2012 10:48:18PM 4 points [-]

Assuming that everyone would see it the same way when manifestly they do not is just an empirical mistake.

Yes, everyone think's their position is right, but not everyone speaks to audiences who disagree with them expecting them all to agree.