Decius comments on The noncentral fallacy - the worst argument in the world? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: V_V 01 September 2012 09:41:31AM 1 point [-]

I'll grant that the objectification of people is wrong from a consequentialist perspective, barring any redeeming factors.

Isn't consequentialism intrinsically objectifying? It doesn't treat people as right holders but as means to the end of achieving desirable world states.

Comment author: Decius 01 September 2012 01:52:32PM 0 points [-]

It can also treat people as the ends, instead of the means, of desirable world states.

I intuit that there is also something along the lines of 'equal objectification'; if everyone, including oneself, is objectified equally, is that really objectification? I don't know and must consider that.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 September 2012 02:11:23AM *  2 points [-]

It can also treat people as the ends, instead of the means, of desirable world states.

In practice at best it treats people as some combination of tools and victory points.

I intuit that there is also something along the lines of 'equal objectification'; if everyone, including oneself, is objectified equally, is that really objectification? I don't know and must consider that.

Taboo 'objectification'.