eridu comments on The noncentral fallacy - the worst argument in the world? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 12 September 2012 05:43:35PM *  -1 points [-]

The following links represent the as-yet-best summary of the sources of my beliefs on this matter. I think they can make a better argument than I can in this comment.

https://radtransfem.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/the-ethical-prude-imagining-an-authentic-sex-negative-feminism/ https://radtransfem.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/under-duress-agency-power-and-consent-part-one-no/ https://radtransfem.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/under-duress-agency-power-and-consent-part-two-yes/

To put it another way, men are conditioned (as in operant conditioning) to emit certain behavior patterns, and womyn are conditioned to respond to those behavior patterns in a certain way.

As such, the expression of learned behavior in men is the day-to-day perpetuation of patriarchy. The fact that no man wakes up thinking "Today I'm going to perpetuate the patriarchy" doesn't change that.

Further, the fundamental concept of social psychology is that individual choice barely exists, and agency is a superpower.

Comment author: bogus 12 September 2012 06:20:28PM *  6 points [-]

Nice. It seems that we no longer have a wholly unfalsifiable and meaningless argument. You are now resorting to the old trope that "we" are fully rational and conscious individuals who use reason to actualize ourselves and achieve our moral values, whereas "they" are mindless sheeple whose individual potential is neutralized by force, coercion or pervasive social pressure. I suppose that this counts as progress, in a way.