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I very much appreciate the attempts at greater moderation, including the troll penalty. Thank you.
Me too. Troll posts and really wrong people are too distracting without some form of intervention. Not sure the current solution is optimal (but this point has been extensively argued elsewhere), but I applaud the effort to actually stick one's neck out and try something.
Thank you both. Very much, and sincerely.
Accepting thanks with sincerity, while somewhat-flippantly mostly-disregarding complaints? ...I must be missing some hidden justification?
He is thanking them for their support, not their information.
People who agree are more likely to keep quiet than people who disagree. Rewarding them for speaking up reduces that effect, which means comments get closer to accurately representing consensus.
Can you summarize your reasons for believing that people who agree are more likely to keep quiet than people who disagree?
It's the impression I've got from informal observation, and it's true when talking about myself specifically. (If I disagree, I presumably have something to say that has not yet been said. If I agree, that's less likely to be true. I don't know if that's the whole reason, but it feels like a substantial part of it.)
http://lesswrong.com/lw/3h/why_our_kind_cant_cooperate/ provides an anecdote, and suggests that Eliezer has also gotten the same impression.
I certainly agree with your last sentence.
My own experience is that while people are more likely to express immediate disagreement than agreement in contexts where disagreement is expressed at all, they are also more likely to express disagreement with expressed disagreement in such forums, from which agreement can be inferred (much as I can infer your agreement with EY's behavior from your disagreement with Will_Newsome). The idea that they are more likely to keep quiet in general, or that people are more likely to anonymously downvote what they disagree with than upvote what they agree with, doesn't jive with my experience.
And in contexts where disagreement is not expressed, I find the Asch results align pretty well with my informal expectations of group behavior.
I admit that I hadn't considered this mechanism. I have no gut feeling for whether it's true or not, but it sounds plausible.
Do you doubt that content people whine less?
No, I don't doubt that content people whine less.
Then I do not understand your request for further explanations.
I am confused by your confusion. The claim wasn't that content people whine less, it was that they're more likely to keep quiet. The only way I can make sense of your comments is if you're equating the two -- that is, if you assume that the only options are "keep quiet" or "whine" -- but that seems an uncharitable reading. Still, if that is what you mean, I simply disagree.