Manfred comments on What is the evidence in favor of paleo? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Manfred 27 August 2012 02:00:20PM 4 points [-]

Interestingly, the calorie restriction effect may just be because the mice used were overweight. article

Comment author: gwern 27 August 2012 04:09:21PM 17 points [-]

Ironically, given the Western diet, even if that is 'all' CR is, it may still be a good idea and life-extending.

Comment author: Vaniver 27 August 2012 02:54:23PM 3 points [-]

Discussed here; timtyler's aware of such results and believes the evidence still points towards CR (which is also my opinion).

Comment author: timtyler 27 August 2012 10:58:25PM 3 points [-]

In sensible CR experiments (which date back to the 1950s) the control mice are calorie restricted too, precisely in order to rule this possibility out.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 August 2012 11:16:03PM *  0 points [-]

What about the Okinawans?

Comment author: gwern 28 August 2012 12:18:16AM 0 points [-]

What about them? They eat more and differently these days, and accordingly, Okinawa's life expectancy has fallen.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 August 2012 08:07:38AM *  1 point [-]

I was thinking about the pre-WWII Okinawans. Anyway, isn't what you mention further evidence that CR works, even below the not-morbidly-obese line?

Comment author: gwern 28 August 2012 04:13:32PM 3 points [-]

It could be, yes. One question I have here is what is 'morbidly obese'? Is it like IQ, where it's essentially a relative ranking (the top fifth is the fattest and defined as morbidly obese), or do we have a clear bright line from biology where a certain weight is the crossing point between good and bad? If it is the former, then for all we know, Okinawans who were eating their fill were still above the bright line even though they look thin and fit from a contemporary American viewpoint.