Stuart_Armstrong comments on Counterfactual resiliency test for non-causal models - Less Wrong

21 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 30 August 2012 05:30PM

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Comment author: dspeyer 31 August 2012 01:15:37AM 7 points [-]

How do you judge the plausibility of a counterfactual?

You say "we can imagine" some of these scenarios more easily than others. But our imaginations aren't magic. There are plenty of things I can imagine that on closer examination are virtually impossible. And plenty of real things that I couldn't imagine until I knew about them.

If we had a good causal model, we could apply it. But we're usually interested in non-causal models precisely when causal models are intractable.

If the counterfactuals' plausibilities boil down to "I said so", then so does the entire argument.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 31 August 2012 10:54:32AM 1 point [-]

Schematically:

1) model M claims that X happened necessarily the way it did, for reasons we don't understand.

2) A critic presents a counterfactual C where X doesn't happen that way, while C is still consistent with the model. To argue that C changes X, he uses causal reasoning.

3) The defenders of the model must now either abandon the model, show that C is not actually consistent with M, or refute the claim that C changes X.

4) The conversation has now progressed beyond direct claims of likelyhood or not of M.