randallsquared comments on Open Thread: May 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: randallsquared 01 May 2009 08:40:02PM 0 points [-]

Phil, things like cables and phone lines going to houses are "natural monopolies" in that it costs so much to install them that competitors probably can never get started.

How does that square with the fact that in places without government-granted monopolies, there are often more than one provider? My apartment building has two separate cable companies, in addition to Verizon fiber. Is there a general argument for how rental houses often end up with two or more separate cable boxes from more than one provider in areas without government suppression of competition, while still holding that it can't happen in the general case?

Comment author: jimrandomh 01 May 2009 08:49:59PM 1 point [-]

Installing wires requires digging up roads, using utility poles and leaving utility boxes on other peoples' property. You need permission from local government to do that, period. In some places, the local governments only give one company permission to do that. That's a government granted monopoly. In other places, they give permission to more than one company, so that they can compete with each other. That's a government granted oligarchy. But whether there's one pre-existing cable company or five, if you want to start a new cable company, you need government permission, and you probably won't get it. It's nothing like a free market.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 01 May 2009 09:03:42PM *  3 points [-]

That's a government granted oligarchy.

And it's worth noting that a gentlemen's agreement to not compete too hard is profitable for all parties in a heavily restricted market. Ergo, the government-granted oligopoly is only superior to the monopoly insofar as you expect business executives to be irrational enough to not cooperate in the iterated Prisoner's Dilemma.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 01 May 2009 09:55:17PM 1 point [-]

That's a government granted oligarchy.

You mean oligopoly

Comment author: mattnewport 01 May 2009 09:57:00PM -2 points [-]

Yep, it's the bankers that are a government granted oligarchy.

Comment author: mattnewport 01 May 2009 08:46:35PM 0 points [-]

There are other alternatives as well. There's a company here that provides high speed broadband to businesses via a network of roof mounted microwave transmitters. Businesses use them because they offer better value than paying a local cable company to hook a building up. My parents in rural England had a number of options for broadband despite no cable companies operating in the area, including DSL and a wireless relay from a satellite uplink.