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Comment author: Douglas_Knight 31 August 2012 07:41:12PM 2 points [-]

Why do you care that it is third-hand? Do you think something was lost in the transmission from Atwood to Konvistador? It is easy to check that nothing was lost there. The fact that it is third-hand is evidence of memetic stability, but tracking down the book will not change that. (and I could level the same charge at Ericsson)

In fact, I did look at the book and I assert (sadly) that nothing was lost in Kevin Kelly's transcription. It is the first paragraph of the section and moves on to drawing conclusions.

Comment author: gwern 31 August 2012 07:55:53PM *  6 points [-]

Sourcing is key because every step introduces error. And you misunderstand: Atwood to Konkvistador would be a fourth-hand, if one wanted to include it. Count the steps.

In fact, I did look at the book and I assert (sadly) that nothing was lost in Kevin Kelly's transcription.

So then, it's essentially worthless. There is no citation, no context, nothing to situate it in any time, place, country or year besides 'the 20th century': we can't even tell how many steps we are removed from the origin since you say there was no context like "many years ago, an old friend of mine was taking a pottery class".

Just another persuasive parable floating around.

I'll stick with Ericsson's research, thanks. Mindless practice is not useful; deliberate practice is useful.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 02 September 2012 05:09:38PM 0 points [-]

Mindless practice is not useful

Where does Ericsson say this?

Comment author: gwern 02 September 2012 05:36:17PM 0 points [-]

He doesn't say that explicitly that I can recall; it's just the theme running through his research, background research, and the theories.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 02 September 2012 09:14:43PM 1 point [-]

Thanks for teaching me a lesson on second-hand sources.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 September 2012 07:21:39AM *  0 points [-]

I'll stick with Ericsson's research, thanks. Mindless practice is not useful; deliberate practice is useful.

I didn't see this parable extolling the virtue of mindless practice rather than the virtue of doing huge amounts of work if you really want to create remarkable outliers.

Comment author: siodine 02 September 2012 05:48:03PM *  0 points [-]

What ensures "memetic stability", Heisenberg compensators? Or just the fact that it was passed along?