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Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 28 September 2012 10:01:43AM 4 points [-]

he got his Jewish friends to safety, and accepted same-sex relationships in himself and people he didn't want to kill yet

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Please provide evidence for this bizarre claim?

Comment author: TimS 28 September 2012 02:13:12PM 5 points [-]

Wittgenstein paid a huge bribe to allow his family to leave Germany. Somewhere I read that this particular agreement was approve personally be Hitler (or someone very senior in the hierarchy).

That doesn't contradict the general point that Nazi Germany was generally willing to kill and steal from its victims (especially during the war) rather than accept bribes for escape.

Comment author: DanArmak 29 September 2012 07:26:24PM *  4 points [-]

Nazi Germany was generally willing to kill and steal from its victims (especially during the war) rather than accept bribes for escape.

This may have happened some of the time, but everything I read suggests it was the exception and not the rule.

The reason Jews did not emigrate out of Germany during the 30s was that Germany had a big foreign balance problem, and managed tight government control over allocation of foreign currency. Jews (and Germans) could not convert their Reichsmarks to any other currency, either in Germany or out of it, and so they were less willing to leave. And no other country was willing to take them in in large numbers (since they would be poor refugees). This continued during the war in the West European countries conquered by Germany. (Ref: Wages of Destruction, Adam Tooze)

Later, all Jewish property was expropriated and the Jews sent to camps, so there was no more room for bribes - the Jews had nothing to offer since the Nazis took what they wanted by force.

Comment author: MixedNuts 28 September 2012 03:22:10PM 6 points [-]

Spared Jews:

  • Ernst Hess, his unit commander in WWI, protected until 1942 then sent to a labor (not extermination) camp
  • Eduard Bloch, his and his mother's doctor, allowed to emigrate out of Austria with more money than normally allowed
  • I've heard things about fellow artists (a commenter on Caplan's post mentions an art gallery owner) but I don't have a source.
  • There are claims about his cook, Marlene(?) Kunde, but he seems to have fired her when Himmler complained. Anyone has Musmanno's book or some other non-Stormfronty source?

Whether Hitler batted for both teams is hotly debated. There are suspected relationships (August Kubizek, Emil Maurice) but any evidence could as well have been faked to smear him.

Hitler clearly knew that Ernst Röhm and Edmund Heines were gay and didn't care until it was Long Knives time. I'm less sure he knew about Karl Ernst's sexuality.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 September 2012 01:26:55PM 1 point [-]

The last bit is most famously true of Rohm, though of course there's a dozen different things going on there.