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I don't know how I'd refute him - there are so many TV shows, both now and then! One can cherrypick pretty much anything one likes, although I don't personally watch TV anymore and couldn't do it.
(I'm reminded how people online sometimes say 'anime really sucked in time period X', because they're only familiar with anime released in the '00s and '10s, while if you look at an actual full 30+ strong roster of one of their example 'sucking' years like eg. 1991, you'll often see a whole litany of great or influential series like Nadia, City Hunter, Ranma 1/2, Dragon Ball Z, and Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory. Well, yeah, if you forget entirely about them, I suppose 1991 seems like a really sucky year compared to 2010 or whatever.)
Those anime you cite all sucked though, they were considered "great" or "influential" at the time because people didn't know any better. Anime technology has advanced vastly in the past twenty years.
Anime technology has advanced, yes, but I don't know how you go from that to 'all my examples sucked'.
Out of curiosity, what in the 90s compares to Hikaru no Go or Madoka Magica?
Serial Experiments Lain.
Serial Experiments Lain severely disappointed me. It's nicely creepy and atmospheric but....
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I don't consider Hikaru no Go to be anything more than a gimmick anime like Moyashimon, so I have no idea for it.
The most obvious counterpart to Madoka would be Evangelion (yeah I know Sailor Moon was airing in the '90s and was more popular and influential than Madoka will ever be, but I think Eva is a better comparison).
Exactly. It doesn't look like I'm going to finish Hikaru no Go by the end of the year, but I finished Serial Experiments Lain (a 90s anime) in less than 3 days.
Seconding Serial Experiments Lain and Evangelion. Also Cowboy Bebop was in the 90s.
Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Berserk, Excel Saga and Trigun are uneven, but have their moments.
I also have a soft spot for the trashy ultraviolent OVA stuff from the early 90s, like Doomed Megalopolis and AD Police Files, but I'm not sure if it's good in any objective sense.
Heh... In my myanimelist profile I've only listed three anime series as favourites, and Hikaru no Go and Madoka Magica are two of them.
The third one is "Revolutionary Girl Utena", from the 1990s. I think it's the sort of series that one either loves or hates -- but I loved it.
That was explanation or elaboration, not evidence. I was going to just leave "they sucked" as a bare assertion rather than get into an anime slapfight on LessWrong. If you link me to your anime blog I will be happy to take it up in the comments section there, though.
Alas, I have no anime blog!
You could analyze the way that people in the TV business think and talk about complexity, while assuming that they know what they're doing. He seemed to do a bit of this.
I'd start by looking at the shows with the highest ratings.