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Comment author: VKS 04 September 2012 01:44:09AM 2 points [-]

... we tend to be caught up in thinking and the models about the world we create in our minds, actually science is about this. But those models have limitations and are often wrong as the history of science shows time and again.

Now that you have noticed this, what are you going to do with it?

Comment author: roland 01 October 2012 06:56:55PM 0 points [-]

Realize that your mental models might be wrong and don't put too much weight on them, instead put more weight on your feelings.

Comment author: TimS 01 October 2012 07:02:41PM 1 point [-]

Trying to make better models does not appeal to you?

Comment author: VKS 02 October 2012 06:42:03PM 0 points [-]

Do you have good evidence that your feelings are more often correct than your models?

Comment author: roland 29 October 2012 07:52:30PM 0 points [-]

Feelings honed by millions of years of evolution.

Comment author: VKS 01 November 2012 10:53:27PM 0 points [-]

To what extent can you expect evolution to have prepared you for your day-to-day experience?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 06:21:03AM 1 point [-]

Is this a serious question? While the modern world might have changed in a lot of aspects a big factor remains constant: people, social interactions. What use is it to choose the logically correct decision if it still makes us feel miserable?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 02 November 2012 02:45:39PM 1 point [-]

What use is it to feel miserable despite having made a correct decision?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 04:20:43PM 0 points [-]

It might be hard to change our feelings. Should a correct decision make us feel miserable? Maybe there is a better decision that also makes us feel good? Also relevant see my answer here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/ece/rationality_quotes_september_2012/7qmo

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 02:16:43PM 0 points [-]

There are situations where your feelings are more reliable than your models. Are there situations where it is the other way around? How do you decide which to use?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 04:18:19PM 0 points [-]

I don't intended the original quote to be an admonition against all use of models/reasoning. My point was more or less along the lines of "listen to your feelings, they might be telling you something important. Don't disregard them just because you have some neat model, your model could be wrong."

Comment author: VKS 02 November 2012 05:38:10PM 0 points [-]

I agree, but that does not answer the question. How do you decide which to use? What do you need in order to decide?

Comment author: roland 02 November 2012 06:23:31PM 1 point [-]

This boils down to: when do you know that your models are correct? And the answer is, you almost never know, unless it is already settled by science and even then there is room for error and further correction down the road(years away). But you need to make decisions now, every day.

Comment author: chaosmosis 02 November 2012 06:30:26PM *  0 points [-]

Empiricism and logic? Just treat your emotions like a model, and judge them like you would any other. Even though you can't see the inside of your emotions, neither can you see the inside of the thought processes that produce the model. I don't see why there would be any difference between the two.