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Comment author: [deleted] 06 September 2012 07:12:12PM *  4 points [-]

Fallout from Razib banning or driving away quality commenters has reached even here.

Don't multiply your anecdotes, since your source is just gwern getting banned for a while.

It is easy to speak like this since it appeals to the anti-authoritarian impulse of the average LW reader but I invite you to inspect the uninformed drivel one can read in the comment sections on some other quality blogs dealing with similar topics.

I would argue based on comparison to other such blogs that the occasional mistakes are worth it to maintain a good signal to noise ratio. I am not alone in this assessment.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 September 2012 02:50:05AM *  1 point [-]

Don't multiply your anecdotes, since your source is just gwern getting banned for a while.

Excuse me? No it isn't. You are mind reading, and incorrectly. (Discussions at that time brought attention to other who didn't wish to bother with Razib.)

but I invite you to inspect the uninformed drivel one can read in the comment sections on some other quality blogs dealing with similar topics.

No. I don't want to compare to a known inferior solution and the endorsement being evaluated was that they were worth reading, not that elsewhere on the web is worse. There is a reason I don't tend to hang out in the comments sections of personal blogs. They aren't an environment that provides incentives for valuable comment contributions and neither lax moderation not vigorous moderation in defense of self interest produce particularly impressive outcomes. Actual 'moderate' and vaguely objective moderation is rare. Lesswrong's karma system is far superior and produces barely tolerable comment threads most of the time.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 September 2012 06:14:19AM *  1 point [-]

The karma system in itself is not what made this site interesting, not by a long stretch. While some very bad comments did make it through that now don't, Overcoming Bias before the karma system had interesting discussions as well.

The karma system is a key feature of what made LW what it is, but it isn't exceptional in this. Just as vital where the features of its demographics, the topics we chose, the norms and culture that developed. If any of those wash out LessWrong becomes nothing but a smaller suckier reddit.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 September 2012 06:20:16AM *  0 points [-]

The karma system in itself is not what made this site interesting, not by a long stretch.

That would indeed be a strange position for someone to take.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 September 2012 06:42:10AM *  0 points [-]

I didn't mean to state that was what you where saying but I was questioning why you seem so sure moderation is an inferior solution based on conversations on LessWrong sucking less. I pointed out that seems rather weak evidence since OB didn't suck much more.

Comment author: razib 07 September 2012 08:33:19AM 1 point [-]

if LW gave me dictatorial powers i would have nuked this sub-thread a long time ago, and saved a lot of people productive time they could have devoted to more edifying intellectual pursuits.

also, as a moderate diss, i don't delve deep into LW comments much anymore. but some of these remind now me of usenet in the 1990s. what i appreciate about the 'rationality' community in berkeley is that these are people who are interested in being smart, not seeming smart.