shminux comments on Jews and Nazis: a version of dust specks vs torture - Less Wrong

16 Post author: shminux 07 September 2012 08:15PM

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Comment author: Dallas 07 September 2012 09:07:27PM -1 points [-]

If the Nazis have some built-in value that determines that they hate something utterly arbitrary, then why don't we exterminate them?

Comment author: shminux 07 September 2012 09:13:28PM 4 points [-]

It is certainly an option, but if there are enough Nazis, this is a low-utility "final solution" compared to the alternatives.

Comment author: Dallas 08 September 2012 01:29:00AM -2 points [-]

In a void where there are just these particular Nazis and Jews, sure, but in most contexts, you'll have a variety of intelligences with varying utility functions, and those with pro-arbitrary-genocide values are dangerous to have around.

Of course, there is the simple alternative of putting the Nazis in an enclosed environment where they believe that Jews don't exist. Hypotheticals have to be really strongly defined in order to avoid lateral thinking solutions.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 September 2012 06:43:14AM *  2 points [-]

In a void where there are just these particular Nazis and Jews, sure, but in most contexts, you'll have a variety of intelligences with varying utility functions, and those with pro-arbitrary-genocide values are dangerous to have around.

I am pretty sure that certain kinds of societies and minds are possible that while utterly benign and quite happy would cause 21st century humans to want to exterminate them and suffer greatly as long as it was known they existed.