Dolores1984 comments on Jews and Nazis: a version of dust specks vs torture - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 07 September 2012 10:05:29PM 16 points [-]

(shrug) Sure, I'll bite this bullet.

Yes, if enough people are made to suffer sufficiently by virtue of my existence, and there's no way to alleviate that suffering other than my extermination, then I endorse my extermination.
To do otherwise would be unjustifiably selfish.

Which is not to say I would necessarily exterminate myself, if I had sufficiently high confidence that this was the case... I don't always do what I endorse.

And if it's not me but some other individual or group X that has that property in that hypothetical scenario, I endorse X's extermination as well.

And, sure, if you label the group in an emotionally charged way (e.g., "Nazis exterminating Jews" as you do here), I'll feel a strong emotional aversion to that conclusion (as I do here).

Comment author: Dolores1984 07 September 2012 11:10:15PM 1 point [-]

Really? Screw that. If my existence makes other people unhappy, I'm entirely fine with that. It's not any of their business anyway. We can resolve the ethical question the old-fashioned way. They can try to kill me, and I can try to kill them right back.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 08 September 2012 12:57:12AM 10 points [-]

It's not any of their business anyway.

If things that make me unhappy aren't my business, what is my business?

But whether your existence makes me unhappy or not, you are, of course, free not to care.
And even if you do care, you're not obligated to alleviate my unhappiness. You might care, and decide to make me more unhappy, for whatever reasons.

And, sure, we can try to kill each other as a consequence of all that.
It's not clear to me what ethical question this resolves, though.