DanielLC comments on Jews and Nazis: a version of dust specks vs torture - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 07 September 2012 08:22:51PM 9 points [-]

The assumption "their terminal values are fixed to hate group X" is something akin to "this group is not human, but aliens with an arbitrary set of values that happen to mostly coincide with traditional human values, but with one exception." Which is not terribly different from "These alien race enjoys creativity and cleverness and love and other human values... but also eats babies."

Discussion of human morality only makes sense when you're talking about humans. Yes, arbitrary groups X and Y may, left to their own devices, find it rational to do all kinds of things we find heinous, but then you're moving away from morality and into straight up game theory.

Comment author: DanielLC 08 September 2012 12:35:19AM 1 point [-]

Those baby-eating aliens produce large net disutility, because the babies hate it. In that case, even without human involvement, it's a good idea to kill the aliens. To make it comparable, the aliens have to do something that wouldn't be bad if it didn't disgust the humans. For example, if they genetically modified themselves so that the babies they eat aren't sentient, but have the instincts necessary to scream for help.