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Real Ns would disagree.
They did realize that killing Js wasn't exactly a nice thing to do. At first they considered relocating Js to some remote land (Madagascar, etc.). When it became apparent thar relocating millions while fighting a world war wasn't feasible and they resolved to killing them, they had to invent death camps rather than just shooting them because even the SS had problems doing that.
Nevertheless, they had to free the Lebensraum to build the Empire that would Last for a Thousand Years, and if these Js were in the way, well, too bad for them.
Ends before the means: utilitarianism at work.
I don't see why utilitarianism should be held accountable for the actions of people who didn't even particulalry subscribe to it.
Also, why are you using N and J to talk about actual Nazis and Jews? That partly defeats the purpose of my making the distinction.
They may have not framed the issue explicitely in terms of maximization of an aggregate utility function, but their behavior seems consistent with consequentialist moral reasoning.
Reversed stupidity is not intelligence. That utilitarianism is dangerous in the hands of someone with a poor value function is old news. The reasons why utilitarianism may be correct or not exist in an entirely unrelated argument space.
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Ugh so obvious, except I only looked for the help in between making edits, looking for a global thing rather than the (more useful most of the time) local thing.
Thanks!