asparisi comments on Jews and Nazis: a version of dust specks vs torture - Less Wrong

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Comment author: prase 08 September 2012 10:28:53AM 0 points [-]

You indeed needn't care about "good|Nazi", but the important question in this hypothetical is whether you care about "happy|Nazi" or "suffer|Nazi". I don't care much whether the outcome is considered good by someone else, the less so if that person is evil, but still it could bother me if the outcome causes that person to suffer.

Comment author: asparisi 08 September 2012 11:51:07AM 2 points [-]

I don't particularly want "suffer|Nazi" at least in and of itself.

But it works out the same way. A mosquito might suffer from not drinking my blood. That doesn't mean I will just let it. A paperclip maximizer might be said to suffer from not getting to turn the planet into paperclips, if it were restrained.

If the only way to end suffer|Nazi is to violate what's Good, then I am actually pretty okay with suffer|Nazi as an outcome. I'd still prefer ((happy|Nazi) & Good) to ((suffer|Nazi) & Good), but I see no problem with ((suffer|Nazi) & Good) winning out over ((happy|Nazi) & Bad). My preference for things with differing value systems not to suffer does not override my value system in and of itself.