lucidian comments on Call for Anonymous Narratives by LW Women and Question Proposals (AMA) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Douglas_Reay 09 September 2012 09:31:19AM 1 point [-]

What software feature (or policy) would you like to see added to the LessWrong forums and up/down vote system?

(There may or may not be a gender difference in perceived value of proposed features. I don't know. That's why I'm asking.)

Comment author: lucidian 10 September 2012 03:30:35AM 7 points [-]

I'd like an option to hide all karma scores. There's two reasons for this:

  • I worry that by seeing the karma of a post before reading the post, I will be unfairly biased toward or against that post. I'd really like to make up my own mind about these things before seeing what the community has decided. I'm pretty sure my opinions change drasticallly based on the opinions of the group I'm in, and this seems counterproductive for rationality (although very useful for social cohesion).

  • I'm embarrassed to admit that karma scores affect my emotions a lot. Each time I lose a karma point, it's like an emotional punch in the face. If someone politely disagreed with my post, I would not have this reaction. If someone violently disagreed with my post, I'd either be slightly upset, very amused, or both. But when I lose a karma point, I feel intense shame. Also, when I gain karma, I feel intense pride. When I post here, I feel like I'm talking to "win karma", not to engage in an interesting discussion with thoughtful, intelligent people. This isn't a motivation/reaction I like to have, and that's why I almost never post here, and instead spend all my time on IRC. Basically, because of the karma system, I try not to say anything that might be disapproved of, and I'm reluctant to engage in candid discussion. Those of you who know me on IRC or IRL might be surprised to hear this, because in those situations I almost always discuss my thoughts/opinions candidly without fearing social rejection; in fact, in those situations, I genuinely don't care whether I'm rejected. I don't know why the karma system on LW is so different for me. Anyway, I'm going to try to train my emotional system to ignore karma altogether the way I've trained it not to care about IRL rejection; we'll see how that goes.

Comment author: Alicorn 10 September 2012 03:43:56AM *  8 points [-]

There is a browser extension called the anti-kibitzer that will, among other things, hide karma scores on comments/posts.

Comment author: lucidian 10 September 2012 04:01:06AM 0 points [-]

=O Thanks muchly! I'm trying it out right now. It doesn't seem to work properly, but perhaps I'm doing it wrong; I'll play with it more.

Comment author: shminux 14 September 2012 05:24:06PM *  3 points [-]

But when I lose a karma point, I feel intense shame.

it might be worth it for you to explore why this happens, by trying to trace the hidden logic leading to this emotion. This might help in other, real-life situations when a similar emotion happens (whether they are related or not to the silent public disapproval with no recourse that downvoting is usually perceived as).

Comment author: yli 14 September 2012 05:13:42PM *  0 points [-]

For a quick fix to the own-karma problem, get the firefox Stylish extension and add this stylesheet:

@-moz-document domain("lesswrong.com") {
span.label, span.score, span.monthly-score {
display:none !important;
}
}
Comment author: dbaupp 17 September 2012 05:53:36PM 0 points [-]

If you add .votes to that selector, then you also hide the points on comments and posts. I.e.

@-moz-document domain("lesswrong.com") {
span.label, span.score, span.monthly-score, .votes {
display:none !important;
}
}