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Comment author: Sarokrae 11 September 2012 05:08:25AM *  14 points [-]

For women: you have a great deal of control over how other people react to you. You can take some responsibility for how you are perceived.

personal anecdote: I'm a female maths undergrad, and most of my social circle is male. First term there I concentrated on making friends, so I adopted casual, unisex clothing styles. I attracted male attention only when I dressed in a stereotypically girly way for fancy dress parties and social events.

Second term I was on a mate hunt, so I overhhauled my wardrobe and started wearing skirts and behaving in a mate-attracting way. According to my now OH, that's when he "realised I was a girl".

So basically if you don't want men to view you as a potential mate, it's helpful to not act like one. Think hoodies and ill-fitting jeans. And if you have got attracting mates in the back of your mind, and your body language shows it, then you shouldn't be surprised if men notice you.

Second piece of advice for women where it applies: tracking your menstrual cycle is the easiest first step towards luminosity. Different hormones induce different kinds of bias, and also prompt changes in body language and attitude, which may cause people to react differently. The effects can then be harnessed or corrected for.

Comment author: coffeespoons 11 September 2012 03:49:31PM *  3 points [-]

I tend to prefer to wear flattering clothes, whether looking for a partner or not, because they make me feel more comfortable/confident. It's possible to wear clothes that are flattering, but not sexy, I think. Maybe I need to work on this more.

Comment author: Sarokrae 11 September 2012 04:10:21PM *  4 points [-]

It depends on what you mean by flattering. If you want to emphasise a feminine figure, then that's always going to be sexy I'm afraid, so you'll probably want a different approach for deflecting male attention. You can, however, get well-fitted jackets, shirts etc in good materials that don't cinch in at the waist, and trousers cut straight to deemphasise the rear if you merely wanted good quality clothes. Look for the androgynous style fashions from the last couple of years.

Comment author: shminux 11 September 2012 03:59:27PM *  1 point [-]

It's possible to wear clothes that are flattering, but not sexy, I think.

For a female? No, it really is not. But just in case I misunderstand what you mean, care to tell the difference between flattering and sexy? Or link to a couple of pictures of each type and we can let the males here provide feedback on whether what you consider simply flattering is also sexy.

Comment author: Manfred 17 September 2012 01:45:16PM *  4 points [-]

One classic example of flattering but not sexy is coloration that suits you - if you have fair skin, blue-green eyes and salt and pepper hair, a light grey and sage green jacket is going to be flattering, but can range freely from not sexy to sexy.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 September 2012 06:56:15PM 1 point [-]

For a female? No, it really is not.

Not sure of this. A large, colourful wool sweater can be flattering for certain women, but it's not particularly sexy (in my eyes at least).

Comment author: coffeespoons 11 September 2012 04:18:15PM *  0 points [-]

I'm not confident of it - I'd like it to be possible! I think workwear (suits etc) is probably the closest thing to it, but even that's often made quite sexy.

Comment author: shminux 11 September 2012 04:32:23PM 2 points [-]

I'm not confident of it - I'd like it to be possible!

I share your dreams of living in a should-universe :)

Comment author: coffeespoons 11 September 2012 04:46:27PM *  0 points [-]

Mostly I'd like to have a solution that doesn't involve me having to wear uncomfortable and unflattering clothes :)!

Comment author: shminux 11 September 2012 05:12:53PM *  2 points [-]

doesn't involve me having to wear uncomfortable and unflattering clothes

Comfortable is easy, comfortable but flattering is harder, comfortable, flattering but not sexy is harder still. Also, I suspect that when women say "comfortable", they often mean something other than what straight guys mean by the same term. For example, many women would say that wearing basic sweats and a hoodie in public is uncomfortable.

Comment author: TimS 11 September 2012 05:17:32PM 2 points [-]

Um, high heels?

Comment author: coffeespoons 11 September 2012 08:24:07PM 1 point [-]

Sorry, I meant "clothes that I feel uncomfortable in," not "clothes that are physically uncomfortable." I would feel uncomfortable/less confident in sweats and a hoodie. I appreciate it was the wrong choice of words.