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Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 15 September 2012 04:46:20AM 7 points [-]

I upvoted this post because it does a good job at presenting your perspective as a woman in such interactions.

However, I don't think it displays a lot of empathy or understanding for the other perspective. I'm not necessarily concluding that you lack such empathy or understanding, but I don't see it in this post. For example, this sentence:

I was understanding about their enthusiasm at first, because I want a nerd, too, but it just doesn't work to date someone when they're acting like you're their last chance.

This is not a very good model of nerdy guys who come on too strong. From their perspective, you (as a woman in a largely-male group) have many more romantic prospects than they do. They can't afford to wait and take things slow, because there's always someone else who is more assertive or has better timing. It's a scenario they've personally observed over and over again. Now, obviously it's detrimental for every guy in this situation to reason this way, as you remark:

I think the crazy male-to-female ratio among nerds has caused more damage to my dating life than anything

It's actually a very good example of the tragedy of the commons. Individually, going after every woman they meet seems like it should improve their chances; collectively, it ends up driving women away and reducing everyone's chances. We would expect rationalist/skeptic/etc. guys to figure this out, but they often don't. Why is this?

Try to imagine being completely romantically alone, through no choice of your own. Imagine this not over the course of weeks or months, but years or even decades. Not one date, not one kiss, hardly even any fun, flirty conversations with interesting, attractive people. This is the stark reality for many nerdy guys, and they often feel powerless to change it.

So, yes, oozing desperation is not a good romantic strategy, but it's not just due to simple social ineptitude or inexperience. While the nerdy guys are trying to keep in mind how women feel when they're constantly pursued (and this is something at which many of us can improve), women should please keep in mind just how lonely and desperate it can feel on the other side.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 September 2012 09:00:32AM 10 points [-]

Dating isn't charity work. If you go on dates and do what is, roughly speaking, the opposite of what works, you will probably fail.

If the girl you are dating is feeling particularly generous she may be willing to give you a reference to a guide on dating skills and tell you to "quit being a pussy", giving you a chance to have more success with the next woman that you date.

Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 15 September 2012 03:27:20PM 1 point [-]

These are correct statements about the present. They are not very helpful for improving the future and solving the collective action problems that have led to this point.

I have not said that dating should be charity work. I only think that dating could be a little more charitable. Epiphany's follow-up comment pretty well illustrates what I mean.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 September 2012 03:34:25PM -1 points [-]

These are correct statements about the present. They are not very helpful for improving the future and solving the collective action problems that have led to this point.

I disagree.