paper-machine comments on Meta: LW Policy: When to prohibit Alice from replying to Bob's arguments? - Less Wrong

-3 Post author: SilasBarta 12 September 2012 03:29AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 12 September 2012 03:31:06AM 2 points [-]

When a human moderator makes a judgment call.

Comment author: ahartell 12 September 2012 04:43:41AM 8 points [-]

When a human moderator makes a judgment call.

What if Bob is a human moderator?

Comment author: Kindly 12 September 2012 12:34:20PM *  8 points [-]

Bob asks Casey (another moderator) to make a judgment call.

Comment author: komponisto 12 September 2012 11:10:27AM 9 points [-]

For obvious reasons, participants in a personal feud should not have moderator powers.

Comment author: Alicorn 12 September 2012 04:00:51PM 3 points [-]

participants in a personal feud should not have moderator powers.

I pretended not to, until I convinced another moderator to approve a certain algorithm. (Surely bothering Eliezer on a per-case basis would not be the best choice, if there is such an algorithm and he in fact approves it.)

Comment author: SilasBarta 12 September 2012 04:30:49PM *  0 points [-]

Yes: generally, one important rationalist skill is recognizing when your bias is rendering your judgment unusable while there are others you can turn to -- for must the same reason that a rationalist should be able to understand "Do not murder for the good of the tribe, even for the good of the tribe" without their head exploding.

(For a while -- though I seem to have been near alone in this -- I avoided voting on subthreads in which I was an active, arguing participant, recognizing that this would compromise my judgment.)

Comment author: katydee 12 September 2012 12:18:51PM 0 points [-]

What if someone gets into a feud with Eliezer? Does he have to step down? This doesn't seem like a very practical rule.

Comment author: fezziwig 12 September 2012 01:55:45PM 13 points [-]

I took it to mean, "should not have moderator powers with respect to their feud". If Eliezer and some other guy are fighting, Eliezer's not allowed to ban that guy not matter how badly he behaves - he has to prevail on e.g. lukeprog to do it.

Comment author: SilasBarta 12 September 2012 04:27:58PM *  0 points [-]

Additionally, he should not pick moderators over which he has unusually high influence -- for an extreme example, if he's the dominatrix (atror?) for that moderator. (I don't know if that applies to lukeprog, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't...)

Comment author: komponisto 12 September 2012 12:39:53PM *  4 points [-]

I will note that the rule I intended was not "no Less Wrong moderator shall ever be involved in a conflict with another human being". Crucial details of the present situation are that (1) SilasBarta is himself a prominent and respectable member of the LW community, with exactly 7700 karma at the time of writing; and (2) Alicorn's issue with him originated on LW and predates Alicorn's being made a moderator.

So we're not talking about a situation where e.g. some troll with a longstanding feud with EY from outside LW comes onto the site to make trouble.

Comment author: SilasBarta 12 September 2012 05:16:11PM 2 points [-]

Per fezzwig, it just means, "Hey, other moderator, I'm not close enough to impartial here, so look at this thread and make the judgment on it."

That would mean that if moderator A nobly "avoided" getting another moderator, but then picked a moderator B, over which A has unusual influence, and did it precisely "when it actually mattered [to A]", that would also not be kosher.

Comment author: ahartell 12 September 2012 05:25:27PM *  1 point [-]

I still feel a bit uncomfortable if it's Bob's friend who makes the judgement call. Wouldn't a "some stated policy + judgement calls per basis" system be preferable to a "judgement calls per basis" system in terms of preventing abuse?