There's no evidence that your programme experiences anything from the inside.
then neither is there evidence that I do, or you do.
they are nothing. They have no quaities other than being different from one another.
I can't think of qualities that my subjective experience of "red" has that the atom "red" does not have in my program.
But qualia don't seem like that from the inside!
Sure they do. Redness has this unique redness to it the same way "red" has this unique ness.
your programme's qualia are subjective because
I was using "subjective" as a perspective, not a quality.
can't examine their internal structure...but there ins't any.
Sure there is. Go look in the lua source code. there is the global string memo-table, GC metadata, string contents (array of bytes), type annotations, etc.
then neither is there evidence that I do, or you do.
I have plenty of evidence of my own experiences. Were you restricting "evidence" to third-person, objective evidence?
I can't think of qualities that my subjective experience of "red" has that the atom "red" does not have in my program.
I can. I think that if I experienced nothing but an even expanse of red, that would be different from experiencing nothing but a salty taste, or nothing but middle C
...Sure they do. Redness has this unique redness to it the same way "
[Cross-posted.]
1. Defining the problem: The inverted spectrum
A. Attempted solutions to the inverted spectrum.
B. The “substitution bias” of solving the “easy problem of consciousness” instead of the “hard problem.”
2. The false intuition of direct awareness
A. Our sense that the existence of raw experience is self-evident doesn’t show that it is true.
B. Experience can’t reveal the error in the intuition that raw experience exists.
C. We can’t capture the ineffable core of raw experience with language because there’s really nothing there.
D. We believe raw experience exists without detecting it.
3. The conceptual economy of qualia nihilism pays off in philosophical progress
4. Relying on the brute force of an intuition is rationally specious.
Against these considerations, the only argument for retaining raw experience in our ontology is the sheer strength of everyone’s belief in its existence. How much weight should we attach to a strong belief whose validity we can't check? None. Beliefs ordinarily earn a presumption of truth from the absence of empirical challenge, but when empirical challenge is impossible in principle, the belief deserves no confidence.