Peterdjones comments on The raw-experience dogma: Dissolving the “qualia” problem - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peterdjones 21 September 2012 07:54:49PM 1 point [-]

The purpose is to establish that "qualia" are not ontologically basic building blocks of the universe sprung into existence alongside up-quarks and charmings for the express purpose of allowing some specific subset of possible complex causal systems to have more stuff that sets them apart from other complex causal systems,

But it doesn't. It just establishes that if they, they covary with physical states in the way that would be expected from identity theory. Admitedly it seems redundant to have a non physical extra ingredient that nonetheless just shadows what brains are doing physicallly. I think that's a flaw in Chalmers' theory. But its conceptual, not empirical.

Comment author: DaFranker 21 September 2012 11:23:29PM 0 points [-]

It just establishes that if they, they covary with physical states in the way that would be expected from identity theory.

I... err... what? My mastery of the English language is insufficient to compute the meaning of the I-assume-is-a sentence above.

Comment author: Peterdjones 23 September 2012 02:15:07PM 1 point [-]

I meant

"It just establishes that if they exist, they covary with physical states in the way that would be expected from identity theory."

But thats not the whole problem. It establishes they covary with physical states in the way that would be expected from identity theory, and Chalmerserian dualism, and a bunch of other theories (but maybe not Cartesian dualism).

Tests need to distinguish between theories, and yours doesn't.

Comment author: DaFranker 24 September 2012 02:09:37PM 0 points [-]

Hmm. I thought it did. I guess I need to review a few things.