DevilWorm comments on Eliezer's Sequences and Mainstream Academia - Less Wrong

99 Post author: lukeprog 15 September 2012 12:32AM

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Comment author: Thrasymachus 18 September 2012 08:30:55AM *  15 points [-]

One anecdote given the 'PR' worries raised:

I have never read the sequences. After reading Luke's post, I am much less likely to: the impression given is the sequences are generally idiosyncratic takes which recapitulate an already existing and better organized literature. I also think it is more likely the sequences are overrated, either through readers being unaware their (or similar) insights have already been made, or lacking the technical background to critique them.

It also downgraded my estimate of the value of EY's work. Although I was pretty sceptical, I knew there was at least some chance that the sequences really were bursting with new insights and that LW really was streets ahead of mainstream academia. This now seems much less likely - although I don't think EY is a plagiarist, it seems most of the sequences aren't breaking new ground, but summarizing/unwittingly recapitulating insights that have already been made and taken further elsewhere.

So I can see the motivation for EY to defend that their originality: his stock goes down if the sequences are neat summaries but nothing that new rather than bursting with new and important insights, and EY's stock is important for things like donations, public perception of him and the SI, etc. (Both my likelihood of donating and my regard for SI has been lowered a bit by this post and comments). However, EY's way of responding to (weakly implied) criticism with catty arrogance compounds the harm.

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Comment author: wedrifid 05 October 2012 05:43:06PM *  -1 points [-]

The sheer magnitude is what impresses gullible readers of the Sequences.

Wow. Deja vu. I actually have to follow this link and double check the date to see if this was the same comment we dealt with before or just a repetition of the same agenda by the same sockpuppet. If you check DevilWorm's user page you will see that this comment is a copy and paste clone of one he previously made that has now been deleted or banned (5 comments below on that page, to be precise). Once again it has received initial upvotes---either from his other accounts or from users who are vulnerable to persuasion on DevilWorm's only topic of discussion (the worthlessness of Eliezer Yudkowsky).

Come on, when I want to harp on about one issue repetitively I at least either make up new speech every time or make an explicit link to the previous one.

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Comment author: wedrifid 05 October 2012 05:56:51PM *  2 points [-]

And why was it deleted, when I've posted far more "objectionable" matter?

Because the moderators don't have access to a "ban account' feature for accounts that only post 'objectionable' material.

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Comment author: wedrifid 05 October 2012 06:15:29PM *  3 points [-]

So, you approve of the practice of disappearing comments without any notice of the fact or the reason?

Not as such, but I approve of disappearing anything everything from known trolling sockpuppet accounts.

(I feel like I should be paying a 5 karma troll-feeding-toll to write this but for some reason there are upvotes where I expected downvotes. I'll wait a day to see how things stabilize then consider if my model of lesswrong users needs to be updated.)

Comment author: pragmatist 05 October 2012 05:30:23PM 0 points [-]

That's why he always refuses to summarize his conclusions.

It seems like his latest sequence is offering summarized versions of at least some of the previous sequences.