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Comment author: royf 20 September 2012 05:03:05PM *  5 points [-]

To anyone thinking this is not random, with 42 votes in:

  • The p-value is 0.895 (this is the probability of seeing at least this much non-randomness, assuming a uniform distribution)

  • The entropy is 2.302bits instead of log(5) = 2.322bits, for 0.02bits KL-distance (this is the number of bits you lose for encoding one of these votes as if it was random)

If you think you see a pattern here, you should either see a doctor or a statistician.

Comment author: gwern 26 September 2012 08:00:42PM *  1 point [-]

Well, it's worth noting people seem to be trainable to choose randomly: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/85192141/1986-neuringer.pdf

Apropos of the PRNG discussion in http://blog.yunwilliamyu.net/2011/08/14/mindhack-mental-math-pseudo-random-number-generators/ for which I wrote some flashcards: http://pastebin.com/CKif0fEf

Comment author: DanArmak 20 September 2012 06:19:33PM 3 points [-]

I wish I could see a doctor-statistician. Or at least a doctor who understood statistics.

Comment author: shminux 20 September 2012 06:34:14PM 6 points [-]

Yvain might some day have his own practice.

Comment author: kerspoon 25 September 2012 12:29:23PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: [deleted] 20 September 2012 07:29:59PM 1 point [-]

Looks like we're better at randomness than the rest of the population. If I asked random people for a random number from 1 to 10, I wouldn't be surprised to see substantially less than 3.322 bits of entropy per number (e.g., many more than 10% of the people choosing 7).