ArisKatsaris comments on Any existential risk angles to the US presidential election? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Douglas_Knight 20 September 2012 07:05:18PM 3 points [-]

Yes, you can say that you are voting for a block or deciding to vote for a block, even if those people haven't heard of TDT, as long as TDT doesn't change your decision. But if you use TDT to actually make the decision to vote, you are now very different from the people who have not heard of it and you are not controlling their decision.

For example, say that economists don't vote, but have political consensus ;-)
A lone economist cannot use TDT to vote the block, because the others haven't heard of it and aren't going to vote.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 20 September 2012 08:01:57PM *  -2 points [-]

you are now very different from the people who have not heard of it and you are not controlling their decision.

That's a false binary view of the issue (that you either control something or not control it). Even the word "controlling" is highly misleading. I'm talking about moral responsibility. We are morally responsible for the decision we make, which is indicative of our values and our level of intelligence. We're morally responsible for this decision no matter how many times it's made (for similar reasons) throughout the population.

A thief is therefore in a sense partially morally responsible for all thefts.
A murderer is therefore in a sense partially morally responsible for all murders.
And a non-voter is therefore in a sense partially morally responsible for all non-votings.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 21 September 2012 12:59:49PM 1 point [-]

I'm inclined to think that everyone affects the Overton window, but some people affect it more than others. People who commit new crimes expand the range of what's thinkable more than people who commit the usual crimes.

Comment author: drethelin 20 September 2012 09:26:20PM -1 points [-]

except none of these things generalize. You're only morally responsible for people in the same situation as yourself. Shooting someone who is about to kill you is not morally equivalent to shooting someone for fun, and someone who shoots in self defense is not morally responsible for all shootings, just for all shootings in self defense.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 20 September 2012 09:51:56PM -2 points [-]

You're only morally responsible for people in the same situation as yourself. Shooting someone who is about to kill you is not morally equivalent to shooting someone for fun

Agreed. That's why I indicated "made for similar reasons".