Zvi comments on Bead Jar Guesses - Less Wrong

17 Post author: Alicorn 04 May 2009 06:59PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (127)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Alicorn 04 May 2009 08:55:47PM *  1 point [-]

You should not guess that the first bead has a 50% chance of being red, because if you do, you can have this conversation:

Omega: What is the probability of the first bead being red as opposed to non-red?

You: Fifty-fifty.

Omega: So you would consider it more than fair if I offered you three dollars if the bead is red, and you paid me a dollar if it was non-red?

You: Sure, I'll take that bet.

Omega: What is the probability of the first bead being blue as opposed to non-blue?

You: Fifty-fifty.

Omega: So you would consider it more than fair if I offered you three dollars if the bead is blue, and you paid me a dollar if it was non-blue?

You: Sure, I'll take that bet.

(...and so on for ten more colors.)

Omega pulls out a red bead. He owes you three dollars, but you owe him eleven dollars. He wins.

Comment author: Zvi 04 May 2009 10:40:24PM 1 point [-]

You could have that conversation, but you don't have to. The argument for assigning 50% to red is that it's the only question Omega has asked you. There are several ways out of that. The first one is that the moment he offers you a 25% bet I would update to presume that 3:1 is not a positive e.v. bet, with a new number of perhaps 12.5% with a range of 0% to 25% with symmetric distribution. Similarly, if he offered me three to one that it wasn't red, I would presume that it probably will be. On a similar note, when he asks about blue (even without any bets involved) I can't see answering higher than 33.3%.

Contrast this with Alicorn watching this incident and offering me 3:1 after Omega asks my probability for red and I say 50%. I still have to update for Alicorn's opinion, but I might or might not accept that bet.