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Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 26 September 2012 02:04:23PM 3 points [-]

Trolley problem (five straight ahead, one on side track, turn requires switching): straight or turn?

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Comment author: pragmatist 26 September 2012 03:28:05PM 11 points [-]

Trolley problem: There is a trolley traveling along a set of tracks. The driver has lost control of the trolley. On the track ahead of the trolley are five people who cannot get off the track in time and will all die if the trolley gets to them. You are standing next to a lever that can switch the track the trolley will take, preventing the deaths of the five people. On the other track is a single person who also cannot get away in time and so will die if you switch the track. Do you refrain from switching the track ("straight") or do you switch the track ("turn")?

Comment author: DanArmak 26 September 2012 04:57:04PM *  1 point [-]

Addendum: you are not allowed to explicitly consider e.g. future reputational effects of your choice. (Most people will hate you for flipping the switch or just for being involved no matter what you do. The safest bet is to run away if you haven't been seen near the switch yet.)

Comment author: roystgnr 26 September 2012 07:17:47PM 2 points [-]

Interesting - I hadn't heard that added to the problem before. Are you allowed to explicitly consider other psychological effects of your choice? (e.g. presumably people would update their beliefs to account for "marked-as-currently-unused trolley tracks are more dangerous than I thought" and "in-active-use trolley tracks have another level of safety I hadn't considered")

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 September 2012 06:35:41AM 1 point [-]

How is that different from choosing "straight"?

Comment author: DanArmak 28 September 2012 03:15:20PM 2 points [-]

Suppose the switch is stuck halfway between "straight" and "turn". It will take some effort to move it to either position. If you leave it alone, the trolley will take a path at random with equal probability.

If you take the time to move the switch to either position, you will be seen. The survivors will thank you and the families of those you chose to kill will sue to put you in prison. Newspapers will print your photo and denigrade philosophers of ethics in deeply misguided editorials. Your unique and memorable name and face will be forever associated with the story.

If you don't touch the switch and run away, nobody will know you were there.

What do you choose?

Comment author: komponisto 27 September 2012 03:49:56PM 0 points [-]

Other. The more relevant question is what kind of laws I would enact, rather than what I as an individual would do in the situation.

Comment author: thomblake 27 September 2012 04:33:57PM 0 points [-]

Relevant to what? It's usually brought up in discussion of ethics, not law.

Comment author: komponisto 27 September 2012 04:58:27PM 1 point [-]

If this situation actually arose, there is a substantial possibility that I would not switch the track, in order to avoid being prosecuted for murder. This isn't to say that I "endorse" that (in)action; I would prefer a legal code under which that wouldn't happen, and would vote for legislators who committed to changing the law in that way.

Discussions of "law" aren't discussions of which laws to make; those are called discussions of "policy", and they are in my opinion the place where ethical considerations are most relevant.