gwern comments on Special Status Needs Special Support - Less Wrong

20 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 May 2009 10:59PM

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Comment author: gwern 05 May 2009 12:12:06AM 0 points [-]

re: 'Special...'

I like Sagan's "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" formulation better.

And on a somewhat irrelevant note - Tolkien is great poetry? He's recitable, certainly, and his translations of 'The Pearl' or 'Sir Gawain and the Green Knight' are justly lauded; but his own poetry isn't too great.

('Sing hey! For the bath at close of day \ that washes the weary mud away...')

Comment author: ciphergoth 05 May 2009 07:38:04AM 2 points [-]

I agree, but you can say the same thing about the Bible. Neither are going to survive comparison with, say, Auden.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 May 2009 08:03:01AM 1 point [-]

Yup. I'm not comparing Tolkien to any of the legendary professional poets, I'm comparing Tolkien's fiction to the Book of Job.

Comment author: pjeby 05 May 2009 12:47:07AM 3 points [-]

Tolkien is great poetry? He's recitable, certainly, and his translations of 'The Pearl' or 'Sir Gawain and the Green Knight' are justly lauded; but his own poetry isn't too great.

Try reciting "Troll sat alone on his seat of stone" with a rap beat to it... (Up came Tom/with his big boots on/and said to Troll,/Pray what is yon?!)

If that's not great, what is? ;-)

Comment author: dclayh 05 May 2009 08:05:28AM *  1 point [-]

Myself, I'm slightly obsessed with "Earendil was a Mariner".

Comment author: arundelo 05 May 2009 03:16:31AM 0 points [-]

I think Aragorn and Legolas's eulogy for Boromir (at the beginning of The Two Towers) is great.