Athrelon comments on Rationality Quotes October 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Athrelon 02 October 2012 05:58:56PM 20 points [-]

It is easier to love humanity than to love one's neighbor.

--Eric Hoffer, on Near/Far

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 October 2012 06:09:59PM 31 points [-]

Invertible fact alert!

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

  • Men In Black

It's a lot easier to hate Creationists than to hate my landlady.

Comment author: dspeyer 03 October 2012 05:52:44AM 10 points [-]

It is easier to control how you relate to a theoretical group than a concrete individual. If you believe it is proper to hate Creationists, you can do so with little difficulty. If you change your mind and think it is better to pity them, you can do that.

But if you landlady has actually helped or hurt you, and you know a strong emotional response isn't actually called for, you're going to have a very hard time not liking or hating her.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 October 2012 06:29:25PM *  12 points [-]

Mad libs:

It is a lot easier to <strong emotion> <vaguely defined group> than to <same strong emotion> <actual acquaintance>.

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 October 2012 06:37:20PM 1 point [-]

And sometimes it's true with s/easier/harder/. ("feel compassion for".) Hence invertibility.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 October 2012 09:59:01PM 4 points [-]

Well, yes, but the invertibility is conditional.

Compassion is easier with a concrete person for a target. As is... idk. There's probably some (respect? romantic love? Loyalty?).

Hate is easier with a diffuse target. As is, say, idolizing love, disgust, contempt, superiority, etc.

The invertibility isn't in that you can flip "harder" to "easier" and then have it make just as much sense. You have to change the emotion too, which signifies that there is a categorization of emotions: useful!

If you insist that this is invertible wisdom, then I must say you are misapplying the heuristic.

Comment author: prase 04 October 2012 07:00:36PM 11 points [-]

Hate is easier with a diffuse target.

Depends. A klansman may find it easy to hate "niggers" but much harder to hate his black neighbour. A literary critic who values her tolerance may it find difficult to hate an abstract group but can passionately hate her mother-in-law. I am not sure whether the difference stems from there being two different types of hate, or only from different causes of the same sort of hate.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 03 October 2012 11:02:18AM 9 points [-]

It is easier to <far-mode emotion> <vaguely defined group> than to <same far-mode emotion> <specific person>.

It is harder to <near-mode emotion> <vaguely defined group> than to <same near-mode emotion> <specific person>.

Comment author: prase 04 October 2012 06:46:31PM *  -1 points [-]

Isn't the <far-mode emotion> actually a <signalled emotion> and the <near-mode emotion> an <actual emotion>?

Comment author: chaosmosis 03 October 2012 03:35:35AM 2 points [-]

I don't think hate is necessarily easier with a diffuse target. People hold personal grudges well. There's also the fact that there are sometimes legitimate reasons to hate specific people, but there are basically never legitimate reasons to hate entire groups of people.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 03 October 2012 04:03:02AM 1 point [-]

there are sometimes legitimate reasons to hate specific people, but there are basically never legitimate reasons to hate entire groups of people

Can you summarize your understanding of legitimate reasons for hate?
I'm not asking for examples, but rather for the principles that those examples would exemplify.

Comment author: chaosmosis 03 October 2012 04:50:39AM *  0 points [-]

Semi-legitimate might be a better descriptor. If someone destroyed me or the ones I loved out of spite and took pleasure in it, I would probably hate them and probably feel that my hate was legitimate. If I went through any traumatic experience like torture or rape, I would probably come out of that with some hate.

I'm an egoist, not a utilitarian (I have strong utilitarian preferences though). That probably has implications for this as well.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 02 October 2012 07:47:40PM 9 points [-]

I love mankind. It's people I can't stand!

Linus van Pelt