MixedNuts comments on The Useful Idea of Truth - Less Wrong

77 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 October 2012 06:16PM

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Comment author: Yvain 02 October 2012 06:46:20AM *  8 points [-]

If a person with access to the computer simulating whichever universe (or set of universes) a belief is about could in principle write a program that takes as input the current state of the universe (as represented in the computer) and outputs whether the belief is true, then the belief is meaningful.

(if the universe in question does not run on a computer, begin by digitizing your universe, then proceed as above)

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 October 2012 09:34:25AM 15 points [-]

That has the same problem as atomic-level specifications that become false when you discover QM. If the Church-Turing thesis is false, all statements you have specified thus become meaningless or false. Even using a hierarchy of oracles until you hit a sufficient one might not be enough if the universe is even more magical than that.