thomblake comments on The Useful Idea of Truth - Less Wrong

77 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 October 2012 06:16PM

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Comment author: thomblake 02 October 2012 03:43:42PM 0 points [-]

Least convenient possible world - we discover the universe will definitely expand forever. Now what?

"Possible" is an important qualifier there. Since 0 and 1 are not probabilities, you are not describing a possible world.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 October 2012 03:52:30PM 0 points [-]

"Possible" is an important qualifier there. Since 0 and 1 are not probabilities, you are not describing a possible world.

The comment doesn't lose too much if we take 'definite' to mean 0.99999 instead of 1. (I would tend to write 'almost certainly' in such contexts to avoid this kind of problem.)

Comment author: Nisan 02 October 2012 04:09:58PM 1 point [-]

Yvain's objection fails if "definitely" means "with probability 0.99999". In that case the conditional probability P( encounter civilization | universe contracts) is well-defined.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 October 2012 04:49:10PM 0 points [-]

Yvain's objection fails if "definitely" means "with probability 0.99999". In that case the conditional probability P( encounter civilization | universe contracts) is well-defined.

Oh, I thought I retracted the grandparent. Nevermind---it does need more caveats in the expression for it to return to being meaningful.

Comment author: thomblake 02 October 2012 04:04:29PM 1 point [-]

I think it loses its force entirely in that case. Nisan's proposal was a counterfactual, and Yvain's counter was a possible world where that counterfactual cannot obtain. Since there is no such possible world, the objection falls flat.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 October 2012 04:09:36PM 2 points [-]

Since there is no such possible world

If this claim is meaningful, isn't Nisan's proposal false?

Comment author: thomblake 02 October 2012 06:01:43PM 0 points [-]

No. Why would that be?