DanArmak comments on [LINK] The half-life of a fact - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 07 October 2012 12:59:22AM *  1 point [-]

Even in the stable camp, facts can mutate: An atom's weight, for example, varies depending on the isotope.

This is a non sequitur. "Atomic weight" has to refer, implicitly or explicitly, to a particular isotope to be meaningful. The weight of an isotope is not going to change over time, and it's very unlikely that we're significantly wrong about the weight of an isotope.

ETA: comments below explain my confusion. Thanks.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 October 2012 02:30:38AM 3 points [-]

I don't know the history of the discovery of isotopes. I wouldn't be surprised if atomic theory started with weights assigned by the most common isotopes, and further checking led to "Hey, what we thought was just one sort of atom for each element needs to be more sophisticated because we were almost cutting reality at the joints but not quite".

Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 October 2012 04:05:51PM 4 points [-]

That's how it was. Atomic weights were known to be not in whole number ratios, although sometimes tantalisingly close to them, and a lot of effort went into determining them precisely. There was a certain amount of chagrin when scientists realised that these numbers had no fundamental significance, but were just the average weights of the distribution of the different isotopes.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 07 October 2012 03:30:29AM 3 points [-]

In practice "atomic weight" commonly refers to the average weight of the most common isotope mix.

Comment author: prase 11 October 2012 06:01:51PM 0 points [-]

Although you are right, as a nitpicker I don't think non sequitur, i.e. "doesn't follow", is correct to use here.

Comment author: DanArmak 11 October 2012 06:07:18PM 0 points [-]

Well, as it turned out, I was mostly wrong: "atomic weight" refers to the average weight of the most common isotope mix of the element (on Earth), and our data about the isotope distribution changes. I didn't remember that, but that's probably what that original quote meant.

You seem to be right about the non sequitur.